• BrickEater@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Pedantic argument. There’s no specific date to “reset”. You and I are both well aware of who is an oppressor and who the land was stolen from.

    Land back to all Native peoples, fuck the Eurocentric hegemony created by European imperialism.

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      Land back to all Native peoples

      The Kingdom of Israel existed there up until 720 BCE. Israelis and Jews lived in that area effectively “always”, just like the Palestinians. Returning “land back to all Native peoples” would mean exactly what we did - establishing a Palestine AND an Israel.

      What’s missing right now is the UN to get off its arse and ensure that they remain separate, without Israel encroaching on Palestinian land.

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          Ah, so we now need to start doing genetic check-ups? How many of the Palestinians still have Persian DNA, considering the land historically belonged to Persia?

          Also: you’re wrong. Israelis have very significant percentage of Near Easter and Middle Eastern DNA.

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        3 days ago

        Why separate them? bring Kanaan back and if the Jews don’t like it they can go farming in the hills again.

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          They want to be separated. Palestinian nationalism grew extensively in the 1930s, there was unrest and a civil war. Palestinians want to have their own nation, just like the Israelis do.

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        It ended is existence in 720 BCE. Current State of Israel has no relation to it other than name. Majority of the Jews staying there today are Europeans.

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          Majority of Jews are Europeans because they got kicked out of their home in the 15th-16th century.

          But now we have a conundrum! You’re saying that “State of Israel has no relation to it other than name”, and that is - from what I understand - your argument towards there being no Israel as the solution to the issues, right?

          But that means Palestine should be eliminated too considering it never existed as a nation at all in the entire history of humanity.

          So, which is it? Are we keeping your methodology and giving back the entire territory to Iran, or are we agreeing that it’s stupid fucking methodology?

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              Which Arabs? Lebanese? Egyptian? Jordanian? Syrian? Make it an Iranian exclave?

              And what do you do with the Palestinians and Israelis already living there? Genocide both groups? That’s your solution?

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                Palestinians are also Arabs. Jews have been staying there peacefully since millennia. Both can share a single nation with equal or proportional representation.

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        The fucking Palestinians with genetic markers VERIFIABLY TRACEABLE back 2000 yrs. Did you know most Israelis are allergic to the native olive trees and most Palestinians aren’t? That’s because most Israelis are GENETICALLY EUROPEAN.

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          That’s very interesting, I didn’t know that.

          If I’m following correctly, the solution would be to redraw the borders of the region and only permit those without an olive tree allergy, through genetic testing? I don’t think that’s really effective because it’d be a lot of work and probably result in a lot of false positives and false negatives. Is there another way we can identify who actually belongs there? What do we do with the rest of them?