So you could go point for point for rebuttal but don’t and instead write 5 paragraphs of arm waving and whataboutism - “what about other old institutions” - I don’t care, we’re talking about the church.

The comment I replied to, you said “considerable force for good for centuries” now you want to limit it to 2025?

Go ahead and rebut how millions of lives were lost by actively sabotaging condom use and every other crime I mentioned.

I said they’re an overall negative, anti-human institution with a long well documented history of points to back it up.

I didn’t say “nothing good” has come out, beautiful flowers come out of excrement too.

You held on to the “dark ages” - but skipped over the destruction of knowledge that led to them and you wrote what you consider a rebuttal. So let’s talk about that:

They didn’t systematically keep fuck all.

Some scribes kept some books, the ones they could hide from the church. Most of the old writings of classical authors have been lost.

Between 500-1000AD the Church systematically destroyed classical libraries and learning centers. The burning of the Library of Alexandria and closure of philosophical schools eliminated centuries of knowledge in science, mathematics, and philosophy.

The Church controlled virtually all education, restricting literacy to clergy and limiting curriculum to religious doctrine.

Church prohibited dissection and medical research, leading to the loss of advanced Roman medical knowledge. Illness attributed to sin rather than natural causes, impeding medical advancement for centuries.

The Church burned books, destroyed manuscripts, and executed or exiled intellectuals who challenged religious orthodoxy.

It’s an obscene rewriting of history to thank the executioner for the rivers of blood that fed what came after.

I have no idea what you’re basing this comment on.

The sins of the catholic church are many and global and as large and unforgivable as their wealth and reach and history:

From the very beginning they were antithetical to plurality - soon as they got power first order of business was the destruction of classical Hellenistic learning centres.

Then crusades, inquisitions, colonialism and forced conversions, complicit in slavery, the witch trials, and interference with politics all over the world.

Opposition to human rights, anti-science (dark ages anyone), support for dictatorships, residential school systems targeting indigenous children, and the ongoing sexual abuse crisis with institutional cover-ups.

And their worst crime of the modern era: their response to the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.

Strict opposition to condom use (in fact actively lobbied against condom distribution and sex education) even as HIV/AIDS spread globally - particularly devastating in heavily Catholic regions like sub-Saharan Africa, the Philippines, and Latin America where the Church wielded significant influence over public health policy (as they still do). Millions of infections and deaths directly attributed to this crime against humanity.

But yes, “force for good”.

Probably simpler maths than that: the many hundreds of millions that have been flowing from the gulf states and the domestic oil industry can’t compete with musk’s contributions and his terrible polling closed the deal. More money, more better.

When all you sell is outrage words lose their meaning and things that should cause public outrage become entertainment in the “minute of hate” sense.

More not so fun facts: Israel is also asking, you Europeans did it in the Americas, Australia and Russia, and sit pretty on top of stolen land but now you have yours are playing holier than thou? It’s quite the sinking feeling that we had some moments when we thought we’ll escape our fucked up nature. I hope we can find a way to put the genie back in cause I’m hating this.

Greece banned golden dawn as a criminal organisation and while a lot of members splintered into other parties it was overall a success in nearly removing all their influence as a political organisation from Greek politics - so, overall banning the fascist party, at least in one instance, worked.

I doubt it would be a problem for Australia where 30% of the population is foreign born.

Also, having been to a hospital a few times during the last year for friends and relatives I’m pretty sure more than 60% of doctors were not white.

And either way, even if a small portion of the population would choose to avoid the imported specialists, their mere presence in the marketplace and being used by the vast number of people that don’t care would lower the prices for everyone.

The real problem is the choke hold the doctors’ lobby has on the numbers of specialists.

As a contrast, Australia has 1440 specialists per million people while Greece has 2700 per million. No other profession in Australia is insulated from competition as much as doctors.

I bet you if you told any doctor in Europe they could earn 1/5th of what the doctors here are earning they’d fall over themselves to come to Australia.

We’re importing low wage workers like they’re going out of fashion let’s open the floodgates in Universities and hospitals and create and import specialists instead with the same tempo.

There’s something obscenely wrong here when we talk about costs of healthcare and no political party raises the central issue.

We only know what ends up in our eyes and ears and while some of us have the ability to remember and cross check and actively hunt for info and compare most of us don’t have the inclination or time.

Unless/until we put algorithmic feeds back in a box we’re due for a new dark age.

Yes, obviously there are vested interests as you mentioned that would like things as they were, the question is why would you think it’s in your interest to publicly declare it as a vote winning talking point?

Who on earth wants more people on the road?

Everyone should be against mandatory rto especially those that cannot work remotely and have to commute, such as labourers.

“I can’t believe the fucking idiot we helped put in charge is an actual fucking idiot surrounded by other fucking idiots. Wait, what does that say about me? Erm… probably nothing.”

Then they’ll send their kids to live and study in Europe like third world oligarchs do with their kids, “I want all the benefits of liberal multiculturalism and rule of law for my offspring but not for my subjects”.

Tbf, Signal, and most modern chat clients with multi-device syncing are not great for opsec.

When it comes to privacy from mass surveillance or using your metadata to mine demographic preferences who you are talking to etc Signal sits at the top of generally available chat clients.

But it’s geared for the convenience and privacy of the average user not military security.

Eg: when it comes to group chats you just have to get one of the members of the chat to fall for a device syncing link, for then the whole group chat future messages to become available to the attacker. What’s more, no admin or other user of the chat gets to have approval or visibility privileges or notification of a new synced device for that chat or any info about the status of each of the devices on that chat.