The only issue I had was his police “apology”. I get why. It’s him trying to make sure he can control them as governor. It’s basically him acknowledging the militarized police state and playing politics. It’s not what we want to hear though.

I just watched the interview. I thought his apology was fine. Surely if you want a safe society then you need an effective police force? Obviously you don’t want an unjust police force, and Zohran mentioned that, but I think what normal law-abiding people want is an effective and just police force who can keep everyone safe.

at what point should france have just accepted that nazis owed france?

at what point should ukraine stop fighting russia and just let them have the land they have taken?

That’s why I mentioned Dresden though. The Allies did bomb German civilians in Dresden as part of their efforts to defeat the Nazis, and that attack has been criticised because they harmed civilians, rather than just military targets.

Anyway, if we’re going to say that Israel should never have been established by force and forced expulsions of Palestinians, perhaps that is true. I suppose the same can be said about the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Therefore maybe Israel should pay compensation to Palestinian families who were affected by forced expulsion.

do i take a side? yes the side that has killed less civilians deliberately.

I see. Personally though if I came across two serial killers, one of whom had killed 5 people, and the other of whom had killed 20 people, I would say both were wrong. I wouldn’t say that the killer of 5 people was necessarily a better person. If both of these killers had the same firepower, maybe they both would have killed similar numbers of civilians.

I think it would make sense for Palestine to have an army. If they did have an army, and if that army tried to push the Israeli military out of the West Bank (internationally recognised as Palestine), that might make sense. It is strange that Israel has borders but they’ve gone beyond them (into the West Bank and into Syria), which is supposed to be illegal, and the West has just been okay with that.

Women and children were killed by Hamas in 2023 right? Also Israelis might be made to train in the IDF but that doesn’t mean every Israeli supports an aggressive policy towards Palestinians.

I’m not trying to take either side really - I think both Israel and Hamas should not have killed civilians. You said I should read the history, yeah maybe I should. Palestinians who were forcibly expelled from what is now Israel, maybe they should get compensation from Israel.

I think ethnic cleansing like mentioned in your link is bad. But does that justify Hamas attacking Israeli civilians? You mention liberation from the Nazis - the British and Americans bombed Dresden to try to defeat the Nazis, but they bombed many civilians, which is why some people see that attack as morally bad. The nuking of Japan also killed many civilians, and is also seen as pretty terrible. If attacking civilians in those cases was bad (it probably was) then maybe Hamas attacking Israeli civilians was bad, and Israel attacking Palestinian civilians was bad.

I think people do have the right to defend themselves. I don’t think Hamas’s attack in October 2023 was self-defence though.

Yeah I found that tweet here. Here’s an image for people who don’t want to visit that link to X: