Yes, by all means, stay out of the place if you can’t respect how it works and have to shit on the poor worker to feel morally superior, like an absolute smeghead.
No worries about this, I will.
I hope one day you understand that your arguments could be used to justify any kind of ongoing labor abuse. But anyway, when the industry finally dies in the US, I won’t be sad about it.
The irony of calling me “toxic” when you block anyone calling you out.
In any case the second you guys leave that goes back to normal, you’ve “fixed” nothing.
If you guys decide to go back to your savage ways, sure.
The service industry is dying in the US anyway. It’s pretty much all chains serving the same frozen food bought from a handful of suppliers. Americans eat out less than ever, and it’s not only because tipping, although you lot sure love to complain about it while doing nothing to fix it.
So if you would like to continue to alienate the few captive customers that the country still has, i.e. tourists, please, by all means, do it.
Any difference in behaviour between North Americans (who do tip) and foreigners (who don’t) is by definition economically irrational behaviour
The difference between foreigners and Americans isn’t relevant, since the benchmark is maximizing value.
because economics predicts that a rational consumer would seek to pay as little as possible
Good thing I said that the article was about foreigners not tipping while in the US, which by your own definition is not irrational behavior, quite the opposite.
In some sense it’s no different than other cultural differences that annoy locals, such as public spitting or littering.
Nice examples. I wouldn’t put “refusing to participate in a custom exclusive to the US that has historically been weaponized to keep wages as low as possible”, at the same level as spitting or littering, but that’s just me I guess.
Let’s say that I refuse to go to a restaurant staffed exclusively by 14 year olds, because I don’t like child labor, would that annoy you too?
In general though, the existence of tipping means people eat out less often than they otherwise would.
Right. That’s what I said in my previous message: people take tipping into account before going out, especially when they are economically constrained.
It honestly feels like either you didn’t really read my comment, or a LLM wrote your response.
What the fuck kind of analogy is that.
Children died in the mines by the hundreds. Those who got out had their lifespans slashed by decades because of the harmful stuff they inhaled on a daily basis. And your argument is that there wasn’t anything better than that?
Sure, change the system. But as it stands now, this is the system, and unless you’re able to time machine back to before the world cup visitors got here in time to change it, then this is the system you’re visiting and you need to adapt. Just as I would need to adapt to your culture if I went wherever you live or I’d be the asshole, same goes here.
I find extremely amusing that if I were to choose not to partake of a custom that even you find controversial, I would be the asshole here.
The article says that some businesses are adding a 20% service surcharge. It seems to me that “the system” could very well be fixed, they just chose not to until they were forced to do so.
You are welcome, I guess.
We’re talking about irrational behaviour by customers
No, we are not. The article is about foreigners in the US not tipping, which is not irrational behaviour, at all.
Why do you think entire industries routinely use hidden fees that dramatically raise the final price above the advertised price?
Because some governments, especially the US government, would rather punish their citizens than the companies scamming them.
Regardless, anyone in the US who is economically conscious enough to choose to eat out or not depending on prices, would inevitably take tipping into consideration, and anyone who isn’t, wouldn’t. The alternative would be people who cannot afford eating out not tipping, equally screwing over service workers, so your point is moot.
Tipping is culture now.
This is the dumbest possible take on this matter.
Like, customers are stupid enough to both ignore that they need to add 20% on top of the bill, and still tip? What?!
What has functionally changed other than you having to do math?
That customers are guaranteed to pay that money. Isn’t that obvious?
I guess it’s hard to understand if one has lived in the US all their life. Otherwise, including service charges in the bill is normal business practice anywhere else in the world.
And the fact that the OP is precisely about how foreigners don’t tip and how that is a issue for US service employees, is proof that the US as a whole should get rid of tipping and just increase prices.
Five minutes is a hassle now?
What’s the alternative, then? Employers reporting employees time?
If nobody reports their real hours, why do you complain in the first place? Time reports take 5 minutes, tops. I know because I had to do it for a while.
Because having a driver license is the same as letting a fascist regime round people up.
There are no reputable sources for this.
That never happened. There was never a time when worker rights were won at no cost for workers themselves.
Families were against child labor laws because they would be losing important streams of revenue. As a result, it took several decades to finally regulate the practice. In the meantime, children were exploited and died, wages were kept low because supply of children workers was always high, and mining and industrial companies thrived up to the peak of the gilded age and the subsequent Great Depression.