I assume attempting to quarantine native communities is a political minefield. On one hand, you’re risk empowering the cunts that would extend the “quarantine” beyond medical reasons. On the other, you’d have people jumping at the chance to tear you up over your imprisoning the native peoples and forcing your culture on them instead of respecting their callous disregard for disease prevention.

It would be the rational thing to do, but politics isn’t strictly rational.

I mean, it comes after, but it’s the more powerful argument with some crowds. No matter whether you’re looking at the humans, the money or stability and safety: 42 million paying customers will stop being one and start being desperate.

Center Party in 1933: “Resisting won’t stop them, might as well trade our support for promises. They’ll keep the Reichstag and Reichsrat, they’ll keep all the organs of government, they’ll keep the states, they’ll leave the church be, they’ll inform us of what they’re doing and they’ll give it to us in writing.”

Not a single promise was kept, not even the “give it to us in writing” bit. They still voted for the empowerment, trusting Hitler’s word, until they dissolved in the face of an impending ban.

Do not settle for promises from people who won’t even be faithful to their God, the constitution or the rule of law. They won’t be faithful to you either.

Do not negotiate with Nazis. They’ll shake your hand and spit in your face.

99.9%. The difference is 999 million, or 0.999 billion.

But also, at that point, less than a tenth of a percent isn’t a significant difference any more. Point is, a million is nothing to a billionaire. Let alone a multi-billionaire. Let alone a double digits billionaire, and it gets worse from there.

Hypocrisy is not a bug, it’s a feature.

But I wasn’t asking about a reasonable perspective, just wondering out loud how a literal interpretation of his stance would turn out.

if it doesn’t affect them

I wonder how the kids receiving school lunches would have voted and if that bloke would have liked the result. Do we have any clue how the vote was split among parents of school kids?

Good luck with your gamble

Even once there is demand, it’ll be an uphill fight against an entrenched opponent profiting from inefficient transportation, but I’m optimistic that eventually it’ll happen.

Unions occasionally have some system to partially compensate striking workers for lost pay, precisely to tip that standoff in their direction. Maybe they confused that?

Not all unions have that, I believe, nor do all jobs have a union and I’d be surprised if ATCs in particular had one.

You’d need to build high speed rail first

Copying the comment so people don’t have to click through:

In the subreddit r/ATC, as response to the question “What does a short staffed day look like?”, TheWingalingDragon posted 17d ago:

It means instead of working 1 or 2 positions, you’re working 2 or 3 at a time, minimum.

You’re working them for 1.5-2 hours at a time, instead of working them for about 1 hour at a time.

When you do get a break, you’re going to get 10-15 minutes, instead of 30-45. That is assuming there is anyone that can even give you a break. If not, then you can expect to “take a break” by working the supervisor desk… because there is no management in the building at all. This is totally normal.

So very few breaks to go around and every minute you go over time on yours is significantly fucking your friends on position.

That means when it is time to eat, you’re probably going to spend your 10 minutes warming up/retrieving lunch and the other 5 minutes trying to get it all back to the console without making a huge mess so that you can try to eat it between transmissions for the next 1.5-2 hours.

The amount of planes you work won’t be lower, so you’ll just start denying things that you have no bandwidth for. Instead of having time to creatively vector, you’re just scanning furiously for points of friction and trying to stay afloat. It’s not efficient, but you don’t have time to make everything nice. You just need to get rid of planes as fast as you can without them hitting anything, and keep doing it for two hours without fucking up. You leave messes for your coworkers and you feel like shit when it takes you 7 minutes to brief it… but you take the tag out and hustle out to salvage more food.

Instead of anyone having an extra set of eyes to call upon and say “help me keep an eye on this” or “help me coordinate this dudes thing by calling those three people”… you have nobody… the other one or two people in there are just as balls deep in traffic and noodles as you are trying to stay afloat. When people ask for simple shit… it’s no longer simple cuz there is no time for more phone calls… and three lines are already ringing.

You pick them up, you say unable, you hang up. If they call back again, it is probably really important.

Everytime you come back from a break, you come back to a mess of airplanes and noodles everywhere. Somebody fucked with the thermostat again.

Literally everyone around you is talking about calling out sick instead of returning from their next break. Sometimes that happens, too… and you just say “feel better, man.”

Then your Manager calls from home and says that none of this qualifies as “ATC Alert” because low staffing isn’t a valid reason, but make sure that you get your computer based training done before you leave today.

You do the computer training, which was supposed to be given to you in person by management like four months ago, but now YOURE somehow the problem child that it didn’t get done. You click through the bullshit slides while you slurp your cold noodles during your supervisor desk “break”… Lo and behold, it is a CBT about staffing triggers and ATC Alerts. The slides say low staffing = atc alert… you shrug and go back to your noodles.

Then the midshift calls into the desk and says they are coming in two hours late so they can stay later in the morning to cover a sick hit on the day shift. So now you work until midnight, no option. You scribble most of all that onto a schedule sheet for tomorrow that already has like 7 pen and scratch edits to it. Your noodle bowl leaves a thin ring of yellow on it… nobody will know it was you. I’m not reprinting that stupid thing.

Then some dumbass points a laser at three planes in the practice area and you’re NEVER going to finish those noodles, you dumb bitch. You got like three binders to find and complete… and like four stupid ass phone calls to make.

A pilot calls and asks which of the three time slots would be best for tomorrow to avoid delays. You have no idea what he is talking about… he says he emailed all this to the management… you look around, nothing… panic. you lie and say that he can call back tomorrow beforehand, and they’ll give him an answer then… always a safe bet. He tells you they said that yesterday, and now he needs it NOW. You guess a random time, fuck it.

Then the other mid shifter calls you and says they are not feeling well. Now the other swing shifter is staying two hours late, with you, and a supervisor is coming in at midnight to work the mid… which means the real controller is doing everything and has a supervisor there ruining his good time all night. Run of the mill stuff so far… not your first rodeo. You scribble all the new stuff into the schedules 9th edit… “fuckin’ gross, somebody got soup on this.”

You find a sticky note that literally just says “59B - 1930, 1800, 1830???” One of the three times on it is circled… a dick has been lovingly drawn on it by what appears to be multiple contributors or one person with multiple pens… it was underneath your uneaten noodles… You guessed the right time earlier, good shit! Things are looking up! You make a contribution to the dick drawing.

End of the night, one more go on desk/final… One of the pilots says “nice job” before they switch to tower. You can tell they meant it because he was the tail end of a FUCKIN SHOW and you haven’t had 30 seconds to bite and chew for the last 45 minutes straight while working the final position AND the supervisor desk.

You act like you don’t care, but it truly means the world that the pilot saw all that shit, probably expected the worst, and was pleasantly surprised to see all the little lights line up neatly and quickly… and a single, sincere, “nice job” is actually legit.

Supervisor walks in at 2359 and asks if you got the CBT done. He pats your head thrice, because you were a good boi today.

Then you go home at 0015 in the morning and microwave your leftover noodles for the third time that day. On the drive home, you pass by 15 weed dispensaries and wonder how nice it would be to just get home and kick your feet up to relax with a quick puff… but you stop and get some whiskey instead because that’s definitely better and won’t get me fired.

The next day you show up for work bright-eyed and bushy-tailed… stroll in…notice a lack of cars… cross your fucking fingers that somebody carpooled or some shit… you sit in your car for a minute or two and wonder if anyone saw you pull up… could still call out today… but you step into your dark tomb for the next 10 hours (probably) and ask one very simple question to a facless silhouette before you… their answer determines how the rest of your day is gonna go…

“How many did we lose?”

Now… I’m not a scientist or nothin’… but it seems reasonable to consider that people probably can’t keep that tempo for very long. It’s also just plain rude to subject people to that with such a high stakes job… What the general public might be genuinely concerned to learn about is that most ATC have operated under that sort of “flow” for the last 7+ years… just nonstop 6 day work weeks and “surprise” 10 hour days… and a lot of those places are within 1 or 2 bodies worth of the above story if they lost anyone suddenly.

Tweak the times, tweak the chow run of that day, and tweak the coping mechanism… but that basic formula is what a fuckload of controllers contend with randomly as little “fuck you” sprinkles throughout their regular working weeks. As the herd grows thinner, the occasions and severity only increase in intensity.

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So you were scoping the place before the deed? Hmmmm

It’s easy to yell coward when it’s not your own life precariously dependent on maintaining a job you can get fired from without reason.

You individually? No

Americans collectively? They elected the fucker. They allowed the system to degenerate to the point where a plurality could install him in a place with such extensive powers.

Peaceful protests are most effective when they’re backed by the threat of violence. It’s not the keg that forces concessions, it’s the fear of the powder within. The cops have no issue beating up defenseless victims in the name of “order”. Only when they’re at risk themselves do they think twice.

For that, the protests need to be large enough that escalation becomes an actual concern. Pre-gunpowder armies stacked their infantry deep, because more people behind you makes you bolder in face of the enemy before you. The larger the crowd, the more dangerous the potential rioters become.

Premature escalation might get the bold vanguard beaten and made examples of. Only when there’s enough support to keep the momentum going can riots effectively serve as an “or else” to the peaceful demands.

Who brought up murder under a comment about marijuana possession?

Legal systems are a necessity as long as there are people willing to do violence to others. Ideally, they’ll constrain the use of violence on behalf of the collective to cases where it’s the only way to stop violence being perpetrated by individuals: To arrest them.

Practically, any human creation will have flaws, and nearly all systems will be biased in favour of the powerful. That doesn’t categorically make it useless for the people.

For once, it doesn’t have to be blackmail. The Zionists have Uncle Sam. Relations between the EU and the US are already not the strongest they’ve been. Risking the ire of a large power like that is not exactly smart diplomacy.

Would it have been the right thing to do? Absolutely.

Not against someone backed by the US