If you ever hope to sway a few Trump supporters, this is the only sort of way to do

People only change their mind from in-group pressure. (That and, sometimes, horrible personal trauma). It’s sad and stupid, but that’s how humans work.

If you want to change trumpers’ minds, you need them to see you as in-group. Otherwise emotions prevail and they won’t listen.

Why do fundamentalist Christians choose homosexuality specifically as their hill to die on?

It’s an easy out-group to identify and target.

I wouldn’t mind ads on streaming media if they were limited to a few seconds at the start and end, and had some constraints (eg: no volume tricks to sound louder). Just a calm voice saying “This episode brought to you by WidgetCo. The best in Widgets. [logo] [url]” over a neutral color. That’d be fine. But the hunger for profit can never be sated, so it’s longer, more obvious ads more frequently forever. So they can all get fucked. I won’t watch at all.

This seems like an obvious improvement and I kind of want everyone who thought otherwise to be banned from working in decision making roles.

I got the vaccine as soon as it was available. A good friend procrastinated. We saw their little nephew together and hung out indoors one day. The nephew got the flu. My friend got the flu. I seem to be fine. My friend was bedridden for about a week.

They got their flu and COVID shots after they recovered, at least.

the truth is that what we did didn’t affect them as much as we expected, and most people don’t care as well :(

Most people don’t really care about anything. They won’t put up with a little inconvenience. Worse than toddlers.

I think a lot about my old coworkers that were like “yeah it sucks but like I’m just going to play Dota”. They don’t care. It’s not affecting them so it’s not important. Even though they claim to be left wing or at least anti-trump

And honestly if it did affect them I kind of expect them to either quietly go along into the gas chamber, or be utterly shocked that no one is risking their comfort for them.

I got the vaccine and so far so good. Someone close to me put it off, and got sick with the flu despite us spending all weekend together. Probably from one of the kids at the house, who also came down with the flu.

Maybe, but they might also say something like “Right. They followed the law and jesus was crucified, saving everyone.” There are probably religious arguments to make, but religion (at least christianity in the US) is often just emotional slop.

One time when I was on a grand jury, I tried to convince the other jurors that we don’t have to send people to jail for marijuana. It’s stupid and unjust, and we can just say no. They don’t make you show your work. (Yes, on a grand jury the prosecutors can just try again, but it wastes their time.)

Those half-awake bootlickers weren’t having it. “We have to do what they told us!” “What, are you a dealer?” “The law is the law. Call your rep is you want to change it.”

Maybe an ad campaign would move the needle, but there are a lot of stupid, selfish, people out there ready to lick the boots.

Someone in my friend group is convinced that things will get so bad people will demand radical change. He thinks that’s the path to socialized healthcare. I don’t think this country has the spirit to reach for great things.

Trump has been president twice. Clearly many people are not learning shit.

Ok so you’re probably correct but I also like seeing the opposite of the usual “omg socialism everyone in NYC is already dead!!!”

I only learned like last year that you can keep convening grand juries until you get one that indicts. Seems kind of strange to me

poor people never could live in cities.

Many poor people live in cities.

and the people who live in impoverished neighborhoods in urban areas, also don’t have access to any of that.

People who live in poorer parts of New York City, at least, can take a bus or train to other parts.

I don’t know where you live but one of the popular bars near me in NYC is $18 for a show tonight. They also have a free DJ show of some sort. A smaller spot that does shows I know of has one for $14. That’s just two spots I know off hand. There are many more.

I feel like you’re messaging me from some other world. I’m mostly speaking from living in NYC. Where you you speaking from?

There are rich people who think the poor should be exterminated, but they’re (hopefully) a minority and not likely the people in this thread.

I really don’t think those ultra rich snobs are the people going to see a local band play to 75 people in a bar. “Cultural events” doesn’t exclusively mean like Opera and Broadway. It’s also “three people put out an EP and are playing it live at Stingy Pete’s tonight. Tickets are PWYW, $5 recommended”

No one here is lecturing the poor about how to live their lives. The argument was that poor people should be allowed to live in cities, if they desire, in part because there are many nice things that come with living in a city.

I’m not telling you that you shouldn’t be alive. I don’t know where you got that from.

I don’t understand why you’re mad at all here.

Who’s telling you that $150k salary is shameful? Are you conflating poverty and shame?

The argument was that cities have more opportunities for cultural and social events. That’s undeniably true because those scale directly with the amount of people. A town of 10,000 simply doesn’t have the bodies to support a metal scene a punk scene a hip-hop scene and EDM scene all at once. Thus, telling poor people that they must move away from cities is denying them those things. It’s saying sorry, you’re too poor to participate.

You can feel bad for people like me for ‘suffering’, but what you don’t get is that to us it was never suffering. it was a normal life.

Many people live what seems normal to them but by outside perspectives would be seen as impoverished. No running water. No indoor plumbing. Child labor. Women denied rights. “It was normal to us” is an extremely weak argument.

I grew up in a car-centric suburb and I never want to live there again. It’s worse on most metrics. Transit sucks. Fewer options for food, entertainment, socializing, etc.

because it’s all we could afford

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am i suppose to feel like i was therefore impoverished or something?

Sounds like yes? You’re saying yes. I don’t understand your question.

Also vastly fewer cultural and social options. Poor people don’t deserve those things, I guess!