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  • Was Ukraine actually added to NATO? No

    Do Ukrainians want to be Russians? No

    In fact after the NATO summit of 2008 where Bush said Ukraine should be a NATO member, Putin who was at that NATO summit said he didn’t want that (same for Georgia).

    After that NATO didn’t push membership further and Putin attacked and claimed parts of Georgia anyway.

    About a month after Putin said he had no plan to attack Ukraine he took Crimea.

    I know people from both Ukraine and Georgia and they always tell me that Russia has been an agressive neighbor forever and they really don’t want to be Russians.

    I’m not saying the west it perfect and we definitely did things wrong. But the invasion of Ukraine is 100% Putin, he did this, there was no war, nobody was threatening Russia. In fact the EU was slowly getting a better economic relationship with Russia.

    But in the end all of this doesn’t matter, it’s not about NATO, or the west. If you listen to what Putin is actually saying, he thinks Ukraine and Georgia both are not counties. In his view they have always been part of Russia, so he would have invaded them at some point anyway.




  • The thing is the EU is mostly concerned about Europe, while the US wants to play world police. So if China would invade Taiwan and NATO is without the US, I’m not sure they are going to get involved, it would open the gate for Russia. If the US is still part of NATO I’m not sure what will happen as it’s not an article 5 event. So the other NATO countries are not automatically involved even if the US is.








  • That’s not very fair, the US also promised Ukraine protection if they’d removed their nukes in the 90s…

    FYI

    When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal on its territory. When Ukrainian-Russian negotiations on removing these weapons from Ukraine appeared to break down in September 1993, the U.S. government engaged in a trilateral process with Ukraine and Russia. The result was the Trilateral Statement, signed in January 1994, under which Ukraine agreed to transfer the nuclear warheads to Russia for elimination. In return, Ukraine received security assurances from the United States, Russia and Britain; compensation for the economic value of the highly-enriched uranium in the warheads (which could be blended down and converted into fuel for nuclear reactors); and assistance from the United States in dismantling the missiles, missile silos, bombers and nuclear infrastructure on its territory.



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    Russia has started up a war economy, scaling up production of weapons, tanks, etc.

    Putin probably waits untill Trump destroys NATO and is just taking his time to prepare.

    The only reason Ukraine has been holding on for this long is because all the stuff they got from the US and EU. If that stops it’s not going to last long.

    Pete Hegseth already completely fucked Ukraine by saying they need to give up on joining NATO and just accept that Russia can keep all the occupied areas. It’s like the Trump administration just wants to kiss Putin’s ass.