People who wanted kids to run would’ve just kept voting Biden or Kamala. They were killing plenty of them. Don’t think Trump has even reached those numbers yet, although in his defense, he hasn’t been in office as long.

I voted Kamala, but I still understood why people didn’t. I saw it coming a mile away, while people like you plugged your ears and would rather ignore it. I was trying to save her campaign.

Liberals care more about the golf resort than the genocide.

If Democrats can’t handle the lowest bar in thr world, that of being against genocide, then the party doesn’t deserve to exist full stop. We need a new party, the Dems won’t save us from the next Trump either.

Al Jazeera is a terrible for you, but a great example for my point. It never mentions things critical of Qatar ever. It’s good for news about other stuff, like Palestine, which the US media is likewise horrible about covering. It’s why nobody here knew about the situation there until October 7th.

The US is not allowing criticism of Palestine. Not sure if you’ve seen the stuff happening in college campuses, job applications, the DNC where they didn’t allow a speaker, even local elections where foreign policy shouldn’t matter, etc. And it’s only going to get worse according to the 2025 plan, where it details additional attempts to shut it down. It’s also been downplaying other stuff in schools, such as the negative parts of slavery, Jim Crow, basically everything bad the US has ever done. The problem with our education system is that it depends a lot on which state, city, and even school you are from (private or public, charter or not, etc.).

The whole conflict about critical race theory and the Moms for Liberty stuff is all about them trying to roll these things back.

I agree their censorship is too high in China, though, but I think it’s a result of siege theory. Essentially they’ve seen the US do a million coup attempts and color revolutions in other countries, often successful, and so you if you’re a third world country you basically need a tight control of your press and elections if you want to resist US control. And I doubt seeing us fall to propaganda in the US from billionaire backed media organizations and foreign countries is going to encourage them to not censor though. Unfortunately, if anything, it will do the opposite.

Tank man stood in front of the tank on June 5th, the massacre happened on June 4th.

They’re always combined together. They’re considered part of the same event.

What was that again about me making shit up? It sounds to me like you’re getting high off you’re own supply.

Journalistic and diplomatic testimony at the time confirms this. It’s pretty accepted by people who were there, including Western journalists. This is one example of a journalist there for the Washington Post at the time who later wrote a piece regretting writing their article in such a way that contributed to the myth that people died in the square.

Lol you really had to do mental gymnastics to come up with any examples at all. I mean you had to go all the back to 1791 to the Whiskey Rebellion (if we’re going back that far then look up the Taiping Rebellion) to find something and then used the Waco Seige of the Branch Davidians cult as an example. The only relevant example you have is the Kent state shooting, and even that’s from 1970 and only 4 people were killed. Even then, I’m honest enough to acknowledge that this event was indeed bad and should be condemned.

I gave more recent examples too. The only reason I went back that far is to show that the US has been shooting at its citizens from the beginning. Keep in mind, China is a lot newer of a country than the US, so it feels fitting. When cou tries are newer, they are a lot more vulnerable to different conflicts and, sadly, these things can result as different factions fight it out. It’s only been around since about the 50’s. And 1970 isn’t that much older than 1989. You act like it’s ancient history.

Highly debatable. Mao has a very good case to top Hitler. He killed way more people and he was just as ruthless. Mao tops Hitler as the worst dictator of the 20th century.

Once again, Mao didn’t kill more than Hitler. Famines are not the same as purposeful targeted genocides. If you want, we can say that US Presidents are worse than both if you add every death resulting from every war, and every post-war famine, civil war, etc that the US has been involved with. You’d add up basically every death from everything that’s happened in all of South America and the Middle-East since the 50’s in there.

Not to mention that the numbers you quoted aren’t reliable. Their sources are dubious and usually CIA funded. Deng’s numbers are a bit more realistic at 16.5 million but still most likely exaggerated because of the downplaying of Mao’s legacy they were doing at the time, like you mentioned. US numbers are usually wild guesses and extrapolations.

And of course they still hail him as a hero. Even if policy-wise he wasn’t the best, he was still a great and successful revolutionary who freed them from an oppressive monarchy, brought them socialism, cut poverty, increased life expectancy, reduced mortality, increased the spread of education and healthcare, and led them on the path to where they are now as an extremely successful country. And yes, they were increasing life expectancy even while he was in charge.

And yes, the US is worse today. They are enabling a genocide. That’s basically the checkmate of atrocities.

Its not a competition, but the point is that these statements and propaganda always start as a way to encourage war and conflict with other countries. Every single time. It’s why China doesn’t celebrate the Kent massacre every year or the Civil War, or things like that that the US does. They don’t have military bases all over the world and aren’t constantly invading and occupying other countries, so they don’t really need the excuse to drum up propaganda as an excuse for war. And while China has a lot of negative points, that’s what makes the US worse that people in it don’t understand: it’s inperialistic nature.

Come back to me when you have an example of the federal government giving direct orders to massacre anything that moves during a massive civilian protest (pro tip: you can’t).

You can’t just make up shit. The soldiers weren’t given orders to “murder anyone that moves” or else the tank would’ve run that guy over. Where did you get that? They just looked at each other for awhile. I don’t think anyone even died in Tiannamen Square itself. Battles happened in other parts of the city as soldiers defended themselves, though. It wasn’t peaceful like you said earlier, soldiers died. Not that I think every protest necessarily has to be, or should be, peaceful, but at least get the facts straight.

And of course similar things happened in the US. We bombed an apartment building. There was the Kent shootings, the Haymarket massacre, Whiskey Rebellion, the incident in Waco, the assassination of Fred Hampton, hell, cop shootings happen every year. Not to mention hundreds of years of slavery where who knows how many were killed.

And no, Mao is not worse than Hitler. Mismanagement leading to famines is bad and the Cultural Revolution went too far in some places, and China acknowledges those mistakes btw, but they don’t compare to the targeted genocides, holocaust, and wars of Hitler. And most of those things you said weren’t even Mao. Plus, the US has done all those things of illegally occupying places (that’s how we got a bunch of states like Hawaii or Texas, as well as territories later like the Philippines), we did more than re-education camps of Native Americans, we killed them all and are now helping Israel do their own genocide and occupation in the present day, we have basically taken over the sea in the whole world and kill people who don’t agree (like Yemeni civilians), and have military bases all over including places they don’t want us (like Guantanamo Bay in Cuba), and have massacred civilians protesting peacefully as I said above, and helped other countries do the same, and have people under-fed and poverty stricken in the richest nation in the world.

You say you acknowledge the bad the US has done and then ignore all of them to make it sound like China is the worst places to have ever existed, at the same time an ongoing genocide is happening facilitated by the US. All you’ve proved is you consume propaganda uncritically and without context.

The thing is, only the US and West do this shit of constantly complaining about other countries and celebrating their historical tragedies every year. And it’s not a coincidence that they’re also the countries to invade and constantly engage in imperialism all around the world the most, and have the capacity to, with hundreds of military bases around the world.

It’s such obvious propaganda against foreign enemies, especially ones we want to fight. You think it would make it super obvious how propagandized Americans are, but they don’t see the hypocrisy at all because of that very propaganda.

What would be the point in China bringing up the Haymarket massacre or Kent state every year? And for that matter, what’s the point in the US bringing up the Tiannamen Square every year?

Glass houses indeed.

Thats what you take away from this? Have some empathy for the people being murdered by your tax dollars, including by your last President, you little Nazi supporting freak.

If anything, Kamala threw your future away because she would support these horrible child-killing maniacs than defeat Trump.

Lol that’s such a Nazi thing to say. There is no battlefield. There’s the settlers taking people’s homes and the concentration camp they’ve put their victims in. There’s the genociders, supplied with the most advanced weapons in the world, and the genocidees, who have been abandoned by everyone but Yemen. And I hope Israel falls before they can complete their Final Solution.

There were some things she did early in the primary that kind of inspired me tbh. I really liked the Walz VP pick, especially when it looked like she was going to pick a more conservative Dem like Shapiro the Zionist or Mark Kelly. She also had a more youthful energy to contrast against Biden’s clearly aging and tired energy during his campaign. But then they squandered it by listening to the consultants and focus groups trying to triangulate to get Haley Republicans or whatever they were trying to do.

IDF has lied about command centers below hospitals forever and continue to do so. Their word means less than nothing. If he was killed in the hospital, it’s because he was getting treatment. If he was under the hospital it’s because tunnels are everywhere throughout Gaza because it’s the only wait to move or go anywhere without getting bombed and killed. The area is super concentrated and full of people because Israel keeps taking land and rounding them in smaller and smaller areas, like a concentration camp.

And if killing civilians is okay if they’re mixing with soldiers, then Israel deserves a thousand October 7th’s. They killed dozens more, including wounded, children, and pregnant to get one guy in this one attack. Comparing that that to the hundreds of thousands Israel has killed and virtually everyone in it being an IDF member or supporting of them, then the state itself and every genocidal piece of shit in it needs to die in the same hell fire they’re raining on Gazans. This is your twisted logic.

Biden didn’t do enough to stop it? Dude, he actively facilitated it. He gave them weapons and money, including fast tracking a bunch, vetoed any resolution to help at the UN, criticized the ICJ and ICC for trying to hold them accountable, etc. Trump is just continuing Biden’s genocidal legacy with the Trumpian twist of wanting to take the land and turn it into hotels and resorts.

I blame a lot of the problems on The Third Way Democrats, like Clinton. Basically they tried to take Republican talking points and the Republicans just went more right. It’s also when we got policies like NAFTA which destroyed US manufacturing, emptied a lot of rural and working-class areas, and weakened the Dems connection to labor.

But like you said, we can keep going back and back, to the US reliance on capitalists and imperialism that made these policies inevitable, the failures of Reconstruction, or the compromises made with slave holders back with the founding fathers, etc.

Ha that was disappointing =(

The left in this country is fucking cooked.

Not alone. The only way is to organize. They’re often at local Palestine protests, so the trick is to find those, then get connected to people at them.

Jewish Voice for Peace is often at them. Someone else named another organization above. PSL has had a lot over the last year and a half, too.

His Vice President, though? Who Dems miraculously expected to get credit for his successes, but not his failures?

I think they’re pretty obviously a troll. Just surprisingly committed to the bit.

It’s insane that we have laws forcing us to work with and not criticize a particular foreign sovereign state. It’s literal madness, like it breaks my brain lol.