Three countries off the top of my head are socialist. Actually I can think of a couple more, so yeah we’ve got a pretty good start. You can look into it yourself if you have any questions, I don’t feel you’re here to discuss in good faith. So, have a nice day.
And years ago, there we people saying the same as you about the political parties that we struggle to remember now. I won’t lose hope, but you’re entitled to your speculation.
It is growing pains. This is the necessary hashing out of common thought among any political movement. There is much upset and confusion right now and people are examining the world through different eyes. People are shedding their pre-existing worldviews. So obviously there will be infighting and bickering, as our thoughts settle and coalesce.
The broad statistical categorization of Dems and Repubs that you give doesn’t express the fact that there are smaller groups within those categories who are disagreeing with each other much the same as leftists do here. (e.g. “RINOs”, “never-Trumpers”, the “Tea Party” of recent history) A lot of their internal struggle is kept secret, as they already have fully-fledged parties with the resources and structure to herd their members on common lines. It’s not appropriate to compare open-format discussion online to the outward messaging of fully-realized parties.
As I understand, there are DSA members who are within that “Democrat” label as well who are using the reach of that party to further spread leftist messages. The statistics you list has no bearing on the fact that “leftist” ideas are spreading more rapidly in the US and people are thirsty for change. The current statistics don’t say anything of the future.
When Ho Chi Minh returned to Vietnam and eventually liberated that country from capitalism, it was just him and a handful of others starting out. Different circumstances of course, but the point is things can change rapidly. Demographic statistics are irrelevant to that.
There is still much work to do. Capitalism will end one day - even if outside our lifetimes. No one now can predict how that will turn out, but it will end just as feudalism did when the conditions of the world changed.
DSA, while not as left or “radical” as some on here, are already a political bloc in the US having meaningful impact. I support and celebrate their achievements even if I want more.
So… You’re wrong.
Like another comment or said: there isn’t. Everyone is a target, even if they’re not the target this week.
Take a look at what was done to protestors of the past. Even in recent years before this administration, they were gassed, beat, and made into criminals for exercising their right to assemble and express themselves. There are always “reasons” they were treated poorly but we must not be fooled: these reasons are hollow, don’t hold up to scrutiny, and are often outright fabrications. The lies you are to believe from their narratives is 1) someone in the vicinity destroyed property or acted in an “uncivil” way and 2) that means that everyone in the vicinity gets their rights taken away, and 3) if they resist their rights being shelved then they are met with violence.
It’s important to realize that none of this is new. This is par for the course, and the tools and narratives have been in use for generations. I’m gonna say it again: this is not new, it’s just more overt and laid bare for more people to see and realize.
You and I as working people are led to believe that if we just be meek and mild we’ll effect change. We are supposed to believe that not inconveniencing the state and being compliant will get us to our desired ends. On the other side of our struggle, the many forms of violence ARE the means by which change and control is effectuated.
This isn’t a call to violence, just an acknowledgement that violence is being used upon us as working class people and the inevitable end of that will be more violence, as history has shown. We need to disillusion ourselves of the hope that we can somehow deal with our problems in the warm comfort of safety. There is no guarantee of safety. We need to formulate our responses upon that reality, first and foremost, or we open ourselves to fragility and bewilderment at the violence that will most assuredly come upon us.
(Almost) No one wants this, but we need to be honest with ourselves about the reality that we face.
Yep I’m getting pretty sickened by what I hear on corpo media about this and other recent events. Sanewashing might be the term, but at the least they try to hash out reasonings and strategy and speculation like it’s Sunday Night Football instead of the full-blown fascist thrashing that it is. These news orgs stumbling over themselves to take more of the dollary dick, desperate to maintain the thin veneer of civility that has been cultivated by their owners over generations. Fools and cowards the lot of them.
Ah yes I see European solidarity is alive and well. No chance you’ll ever have fascism again over there with statements like that. Truly a bastion of the brightest and best ideals of humanity.
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Do you suppose that “concrete power” was obtained spontaneously? Kirk and his ilk paved the way for what we have now. He was one cog in a directed system of influence to instate fascism.
Even if the shooter targeted Mango Mussolini and succeeded, do you think that American fascism would vanish? No, because again it’s a system of influence that led to this point. A long, slow erosion of the social fabric brought on by bad-faith arguments, lies, and wanton disregard for the welfare of others - even jovial disregard for others.
This system of influence has told people that empathy is a weakness - the dead guy even said as much. I tend to disagree with that sentiment, but now we’re in “paradox of tolerance” territory.
I’ll take whatever win against fascism that comes. You speak of the shooter possibly being “the dumbest leftist” - I guess they should have consulted first? Like what national plan is there for any left movement in the US? If you mean “left” as in Democrat - there is no plan, just wait it out and keep sucking the corpo cock. If you mean “left” as in Anarchist, Socialist, etc. then there’s also no plan because Americans as a whole have made it clear that they love the boot, love consumerism, and hate change. So what imaginary grand strategy are you picturing?
Wow, you know nothing of this person and your take is “they did it for attention”? Holy shit… You kinda sound like the reich-wingers who are already calling the shooter a “liberal”.
Consumerism is so deeply engrained in the psyche of the US that it often pushes aside morals or ethics.
Yep, that’s the one that he said that about.
Like I said, as I was typing I thought of more. Three was just the immediate number I thought of.
Yes 3 / 195 is indeed 1.5%. That number adds nothing of essence to determine what percent of the world population is leftist in their politics. Countries do not have consistent landmass or population, and within even socialist countries not all people are left in their political ideology.
Look you’re clearly not a leftist and you’re here to just troll, so why comment on “leftist infighting” at all? I address this in my previous comment but you just ignored it. So again, have a nice day.