There’s at least two jokes/British cultural memes that almost no Americans are going to get lmao divided by a shared language

Her job on every other day, is to provide fig leaf legal cover for IDF crimes on and off the battlefield. If Israel ‘investigates’ it own soldier’s conduct, it closes off international oversight and legal intervention. Doesn’t matter that the conviction rate is in the single digits, as long as there is some legal recourse, they can skirt their obligations under international law.

She leaked the video to further that coverup, not out of some righteous indignation or sense of justice. Otherwise she’d have done a mass dump of internal files to a dead-drop server hosted in Sweden or mailed a stack of documents to The Hague.

Where domestic legal proceedings fail to address human rights abuses, mechanisms and procedures for individual complaints or communications are available at the regional and international levels to help ensure that international human rights standards are indeed respected, implemented, and enforced at the local level.

What information are professors giving you that you can’t get anywhere else?

A reading list and critical analysis.

Because an autodidact will end up reading the ‘good’ books and not reading the critiques or counter-narratives. An algorithm feed will serve you the consumable content that keeps you engaged, not the information that you need to sit with to digest and re-examine what you thought you knew to be true.

You gain the most understanding during the un-learning and analysis process. Reading one book won’t do that. Hence, a reading list.

What’s actually funny is how yall swallow this performative jackassery whole, as if it’s actually improving military readiness or ‘lethality’, instead of demanding accountability from government. Super glad that they’ve clearly solved all the big issues like the PFAS contamination on multiple bases poisoning soldiers and their families, or the entirety of the VA dumpster fire, or the Pentagon not being able to pass an audit for decades.

But nah, let’s fire a 21 year careerist because some terminally online losers got triggered by pronouns and her billet. I’m sure those considering re-enlisting won’t mind the risk of losing their pension overnight because Twitter demanded a blood sacrifice.

I do not want to normalize murder as a trump card in political discourse - not any further than the right has already mind you.

But I am enjoying seeing these hate mongers feel some of that turned back their way, in a very public manner. Having the outside world ‘cancelled’ for themselves for fear of assassins and high powered rifles. Always having to travel with security, constantly worried if their next organic street encounter will be with a genuine fan, or ‘a fan’ with a vendetta.

Tolerance paradox aside, I still condemn this though - because political assassination does not bode well in the immediate term, nor the long term if this kind of activity keeps repeating… it ultimately only leaves the most hardline and ideological voices on the soapbox.

Different Ghandi

As prime minister, [Indira] Gandhi was known for her uncompromising political stances and centralization of power within the executive branch.… Responding to separatist tendencies and a call for revolution, she instituted a state of emergency from 1975 to 1977, during which she ruled by decree and basic civil liberties were suspended. More than 100,000 political opponents, journalists and dissenters were imprisoned. She faced the growing Sikh separatism movement throughout her fourth premiership; in response, she ordered Operation Blue Star, which involved military action in the Golden Temple and killed hundreds of Sikhs. On 31 October 1984, she was assassinated by two of her bodyguards, both of whom were Sikh nationalists seeking retribution for the events at the temple.

No. Nobody deserves a genocide.

I understood your first comment perfectly - you felt ‘online righteousness’ was the most worthy thing to bring up for discussion. Not:

• Wow, how could the Dems not have defused this wedge issue, dumb politicians
• How awful that the people of Gaza are facing their current existence
• What a blunder of a party platform to ignore the people’s dissent re: arming Israel
• Screw the right for bad-faith messaging, Trump has been worse
• etc

You saw a preventable death of a child suffering under apartheid and genocide, and felt that ‘online morons’ who didn’t vote/voted 3rd party deserved more attention.

And no, English is my first language.

No, I can recognize the politicians are shit and still realize the loss was primarily due to racist dumbasses.

If so, why open with this comment then?

People with “moral righteousness” here on Lemmy helped to elect someone who made it far, far worse.

The politicians. Is this a hard concept, or are you bad faith trolling?

They’re not stupid, they had access to better polling data than you and I, they knew there was a massive anti-incumbent sentiment, that while the S&P 500 was performing well, the people were struggling, and that Israel was increasing a vote loser across all political stripes - the politicians saw all that, and they still ran the campaign they ran.

They decided that, whilst choking out all grassroots challengers and criticism, and you’ve swallowed whole the “disloyal lefty” narrative that exonerates their failure completely. “We didn’t lose, it’s those disloyal fifth columnist double flagged operatives”

I’m disappointed in the broad electorate for not seeing through Trump, but I understand that economic desperation is rocket fuel for fascism and it doesn’t go away if faced with more of the status quo that brought us to this point. The Dems needed to pivot, and refused to change with the times.

If your reaction is basically…

But what about meeeee? I have to deal with orange man in the office now

… when confronted with a genocide, maybe just don’t comment?

And besides, it’s a massive cope to blame the loss on ‘online moral righteousness’ when we all saw the campaigns play out. “We beat Medicare” should have never been allowed to happen, and Kamala should have had some firm policy stances instead of “I wouldn’t have done anything different”.

for some absolutely absurd reason, it usually isn’t illegal for the government to lie. Like on the subpoena.

Wait, seriously? They can outright lie, not like “our investigation leads us to believe that you X and are charged with Y” like an arraignment?

I have a genuine question that’s been bugging me. Will Israel sate their bloodlust for revenge and stop the genocide, or wait for their entire society to rot completely from the inside out as they commit themselves fully to the expansionist fascist ideology?

I can’t find the Hannah Arendt quote for the life of me, but she called it correctly from the jump off - maintaining a militarized occupation of Palestine et al without popular mandate or agreement, requires domination via apartheid or ethnic cleansing, and will fundamentally corrupt the state in all aspects of life.

I spent a few messages doing that, even though you were pretty hostile with me out of the gate

You read my exasperation as hostility, because my initial reply was to a lot of your hand waving that ‘anyone would have been as bad as Biden’ completely sidesteps his obvious cognitive state, and the withering voter enthusiasm he carried both in and out of the party.

Sounds like you’re not into the idea of doing the homework in order to learn what you would need to in order to be able to continue the conversation and have it be productive.

Does this actually work on people? Like do you genuinely think telling someone that they’re too dumb/ignorant to participate, that that is effective rhetoric that communicates with others?

You got challenged on a massive point of context, confirmed your actual position, to which I agreed and then pivoted to their doomed strategy of ‘I wouldn’t do anything differently’ was a failure from the jump, and your response is cynical elitism? Good luck convincing others dude

Like I said, I’m not real into continuing the conversation then. Best of luck to ye.

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Honestly, I’m just sick of having the exact same conversation an indefinite number of times every time I come to lemmy.world.

…then stop posting/lurking in .world then? Or accept that it’s not your backyard, and you have different views?

The DNC is not on Lemmy

Doubtful, though I’d still hold out for some Linux-hatted staffer Venn intersection. But I’m sure that web crawlers and API scrapers are, which do feed into data sets used to judge people’s opinions. And there’s definitely a lot of neoliberals who lurk and comment, amongst other political stripes.

I’m happy to talk with you, if you do some homework first

Lmao if you actually want to genuinely talk to some, that line is condescending as fuck and you should never use it. And re: Gaza? Just scroll up, you brought up Gaza in your first reply in this comment thread - unprompted. Instead of demanding I do the mental labor of deciphering your (seemingly mutable) politics, and just lay out what you actually believe?

hand-wringing about how these specific Democratic candidates fucked everything up, should be sparing at least one or two words for thirty years of Democratic fuckery laying the groundwork

I agree (and did), but posting that context often was dismissed with “it’s election season, quit posting FUD if you’re not a troll/bad-faith”. Y’all weren’t there for the discussion even - as was shown with Gaza.

But the basic fact is that the candidate(s) and party apparatus either: A) Fundamentally failed to read the room and see the obvious discontent and voter backlash over several policy stances and material realities, or B) Knew all that and still decided to run the campaign they wanted to, whilst cynically wielding the Republicans as a worse option to impel democrat voters on the left, so they could run to the center and abandon the working class to the Republicans

Nobody forced them or their staffers to pick option B, even as their own internal polling showed their defeat was all but assured under option B. And here we are.

Biden was old as fuck and it was a massive problem, even before the debate. I’m saying that none of the most serious problems got solved when he was replaced. And look… they didn’t.

So when do I get to play the ‘Quit spreading FUD’ card then? Because as you said, if nothing was going to fundamentally change re:platform, why not present a new and younger candidate after Biden’s cognitive meltdown, and claw back some of the party’s reputation with the electorate? Why not hold a ‘speed primary’? Why let cynicism win out and accept Biden drowning the party with him, because ‘nobody else can do better’ while he’s an elder lich that refuses to let go of power?

I said that with replacing Biden, we’d lose the election, because the exact same arguments that applied to Biden would get applied to Harris, plus some new ones,

Are you genuinely, seriously, trying to pretend that Joe “We beat Medicare” Biden was the better candidate to beat Trump? Bruh.

This absolute baldfaced refusal to accept reality from Democrat loyalists up and down the party structure, makes the whole party look unserious. Team sports, ‘my guy can do no wrong’ horseshit that they also see from the MAGAs, but team red talks game about inflation and the economy - and isn’t the incumbent seen as responsible for it.

Of course, we need to make the asocial and undesirable ‘work-shy’ elements of society contribute their fair share to the fatherland’s struggle, the great leader has spoken! /s

The concentration camps didn’t begin as a policy of industrialized state murder, but grew out deliberate policy decisions that viewed people as problems that needed ‘correcting’ or eliminating, instead of viewing people as individuals. And we are seeing the same here today:

• Red triangles marked “political prisoners… [which] in Auschwitz were, above all, Poles.

• Green triangles marked “criminal”, imprisoned as a direct consequence of committing a forbidden act, or after release from prison in cases where the criminal police regarded the sentence imposed by the court as too lenient.

• Black triangles marked “asocial” prisoners, imprisoned in theory for vagrancy or prostitution, but in fact for a wide range of other deeds or behaviors, loosely and arbitrarily interpreted by the police. The Roma in the Birkenau “Gypsy camp” were classified as asocial.

• Purple triangles marked prisoners imprisoned for belonging to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, regarded as enemies of the state because of their pacifistic beliefs.

• Pink triangles marked homosexual prisoners, in practice exclusively German, who were imprisoned on the basis of §175 of the German criminal code.

This is the line that even at my most cynical, I never thought Trump would go for/be allied to cross - fuck with the money directly. Ruin the bag for the capital class. Tariffs were bad long term but presented an opportunity for huge wealth transfer during that manufactured chaos’s period of ‘creative destruction’:

“He made $2.5 billion, and he made $900 million! That’s not bad!” Trump said, pointing to financial investor Charles Schwab and then NASCAR team owner Roger Penske

But then again, this loon is who he put forward in his first term, sooo yeah.