There is additional reporting from the Chicago Sun-Times and it’s now unclear if a gun was fired or if ICE used a burner phone to call in a report of shots fired
If someone shoots at masked, unidentified intruders, who could blame them?
Is this what the 2nd amendment is for?
Main problem is that its very ineffective when the army is better trained and equipped than you are
That’s why you don’t attack foot soldiers, you attack logistics.
Sure, day 1 is ICE, but any meaningful success in attacking them will be followed by a military deployment
But will they follow the order. This is of course why they are purging the generals right now. But it won’t take more than a few high ranking officers who refuse an order to fire on unarmed civilians (which you know trump will demand) and then the snowball is rolling. Trump will order other troops to fire on those troops, and they will refuse… Trump may think this is what he wants. But I have some faith in our military. It won’t take too many to start things rolling.
What’s crazy about all this…
Multi-billionaire Governor JB Pritzker keeps saying ICE has to go thru him for ICE to be in his state, and ICE keeps going into his state and violating human rights…
But surely if a multi billionaire was lying, all the multi-billionaire owned news organizations would tell us, right?
/S
I live in a suburb literally bordering Chicago and I can be in the city itself in 5 minutes. I’m in several Signal groups dedicated to rapid response and all sorts of other groups that help. There have been abductions happening literally a block from my house on a couple of occasions.
I’m not sure what you expect Pritzker to do, exactly? The feds have a lot of laws that allow them to be here and there’s a ton of other red tape and weird loopholes. For instance, an ICE free zone means specific property. Hypothetically, a Home Depot which serves customers can declare itself an ICE free zone but really the only private spots that Feds cannot enter are things like the break room, meeting rooms, and staff areas. So they can legally chase anyone through a store.
People are videoing everything and ICE and Border Patrol generally stop being so bold with numbers and multiple cameras on them. My point is, people are doing what the can to resist but unless you want us firing guns and starting a war - we have to play this through our own tactics and the courts. Many police won’t even respond when they are called about agents in vehicles with no front plates. This is happening all over.
Once again, I’m not sure what you want Pritzker himself to do. He’s signing things into law and supporting tactics the people are using. There’s so much legal stuff going on and people aren’t just going to start a war.
They’re mad at the rich and desperate to connect two bad things
This is lemmy. They want the earth sun and moon and anything less is fascism.
I’m not sure what you expect Pritzker to do, exactly
Weird…
You don’t have any idea what powers a Governor has?
I’ve noticed that a common thing in people which positive feelings toward neoliberal governors.
They control the police, they can arrest ICE for harassing citizens of their state against their wishes.
Like…
You know we fought a whole civil war over this, right?
The slave states wanted to send feds into free states to “deport” free Black people to the south to be slaves. Lincoln refused, and the South started a war they lost.
But since the oligarchs bought off both parties to push for a stronger fed now everyone is convinced that we have a strong fed that can do shit like this and states are powerless.
Even when it’s literally an oligarch doing this shit.
If someone has a billion dollars they’re not on the people’s side. Which should be really easy to tell when someone has multiple billions, yet here we are
I’ve noticed a common thing in the type of people who accuse others of having positive feelings toward nEoLiBeRaL governors.
They have no concept of how nuanced topics work.
All you all can do is smugly accuse people of shit they’re clearly not doing- and it is because you cannot imagine that it is possible for a thing to not be either black or white.
The person you responded to said nothing positive at all about Pritzker. They simply stated facts as they see them. YOU saw it as your shining moment to arrogantly punch down at someone that simply shared their take.
Your shit smells just as bad as everyone else’s. The sooner you come to terms with this, the sooner people will start taking you seriously.
I’m blocking you now, but by all means, feel free to respond with whatever rhetoric you feel compelled to hurl my way. I’ll be sure to read it as soon as possible!
I’m blocking you now,
You don’t need to notify people, it works without that…
Not gonna join in on the insults tho.
Although, it should be obvious why the fans of billionaires never want to talk about what actually can be done.
They were trying to kidnab an “unaccompanied” minor. Crazy.
Frankly surprised it took this long:
Unless there is video proving it, it didnt happen. Nothing ICE says is true.
We already know these wannabes love to false flag themselves. Several times in the last few weeks they’ve been caught lying about being threatened, assaulted, hit and dragged by cars, etc, only to be disproven by video. So until we have something more concrete than a couple anonymous feds saying that some guy fired shots at them out of a car and then disappeared, I’ll be assuming they just made this shit up.
How would anyone know a bunch of masked guys in unmarked cars are ice agents?
