I appreciate some religious people trying to distance themselves from the shitty ones, really, I do.
But people who do stuff that isn’t normal for a thing that only they believe in or know about still really shakes my faith in the social contract with them.
Add on to that that the bad people share the same beliefs makes predicting when evil behavior or shadowy fucked up evil behavior is gonna happen really difficult.
And then finally, that bad stuff happens overwhelmingly often from the people that believe that stuff… I have a hard time not believing they’re all bad. I know they probably aren’t, but the vast majority of them have been hostile and crazy and freak me out and I just stay away because I don’t need to deal with that and it’s just easier and safer for me to avoid them and warn others like me.
Add on to that that the bad people share the same beliefs makes predicting when evil behavior or shadowy fucked up evil behavior is gonna happen really difficult.
…the response is usually “well, they weren’t really christian.” The implication being “they based their morality on an unreachable source with divine authority and committed their lives to it in a BAD way, I’m doing it in a GOOD way.”
And ones who think that climate change is part of the “perfect plan” and they have a room in paradise later anyway, that’s deadly for all of us, and they vote against humanity. Brainwashed to vote that way, often to feel righteous about this or that lie, but it’s all propaganda and the world is worse off for their unhealthy policies and choices. It’s visible in quality of life regression.
Maybe religions need a revamping. A Reli-nissance. Like another breaking away abrahamic nu religion.
It wouldn’t be the end-all solution, but at least with a bandaid fix, more time could be bought, and it could align closer to reality?
… The more I think about that, though, the worse idea it seems. Because in order to grow a religion, you have to convince people of a delusion or make converts, which end up being even more zealous for said idea.
Call me Mother Mohiam Scmstr of the Bene Gesserit, cuz we planting millennia-plans to try and fix stuff and it’s gonna end poorly for everybody.
Hmmm probably pain and the vulnerability that opens from pain.
And ignorance. A lot of people just don’t know or were never shown what’s out there. A lot of religion teaches, either explicitly or implicitly, that asking questions is taboo. They just don’t know.
And also bias. If you teach somebody that taboo-fencing worldview from a young age, and they grow up with and inside of it, we know that there is a bias against new information. And while the universe is infinitely amazing, if you deny deny deny, and live in the world of stories and tradition, in Plato’s cave, outside would seem unsafe, hostile, and unpleasant, and thus the cycle of sharing a lifetime of what you know, continues.
My holy book says “you can rape the children of your enemy” and “beat your wife and your kids, but try not to do it too much” and “everyone else will suffer more than the human mind can conceive”
But I only practice that last one.
IMO, does not make someone “one of the good ones”, and I hope they take it to heart that I think they are no better than the overtly murderous and racist ones. Because they are separated but by the width of a hair from the pocket-foreskin of their savior.
I used to be that way. Then I saw that the “good in people” who are able to “ignore the bad stuff” in that book, doesn’t change the fact that they are bombs that simply don’t happen to be exploding right now.
If you change to one of their “triggers” or if they begin to see you or the world in a way that triggers their religious fervor, they can pivot to being the horrors in an instant.
I hope you never have to watch the eyes of a loved one who’s always seemed to have a very good heart, glaze over as they switch gears to “you’re the devil and no action is off the table to ‘cleanse’ you”. Because they all have that switch. Every single one of them.
I would never want to be able to overlook this aspect of a person. Just like I wouldn’t want to be able to overlook Joanne just to enjoy a mid story about wizards. Or work for the carceral system just for a paycheck.
If I were cowering from these people, or reacting in excess caution to a non-existent threat, I would agree that therapy would be useful for my viewpoint. As a trans person, I can only imagine that you were experiencing one or the other, and that is why you suggested them for me, assuming that I was suffering similarly.
I very much appreciate the concern for my mental health. I am properly cautious, like you should be of venomous snakes.
I wish she would stop. Like if she just enjoyed her billions, let go of hp ip, stopped working with the richest man in the world to push hate and violence and laws trying to murder all trans people, I wouldn’t care anymore. She could live quietly. I’d be okay with that. Live and let live, and all that.
But the fact that she isn’t stopping, and is in fact passing laws and is spearheading and heavily funding political misinformation campaigns… Can we get a bridge thrower in here? Hello? Somebody toss this large sack of potatoes into the river. Surely, somebody in the mob or London Mafia must have a heart.
Just… Take away her Internet access and ban her to the Scottish highlands and give her a nice mansion. Anything to get her to fuck off. She’s crossed already to evil person territory, but to be perfectly honest, and I’m sure I’m not the only person who she’s hurting that I speak for, I would be happy if she just fucked all the way off.
I know she won’t, which is where the vegetable planting comes in, but I still wish we could just get her to shut the fuck up and fuck the fuck off.
I feel all that. I have no thirst for revenge, but by fairness alone I would strip her of her unearned wealth and distribute it to those in need. Beyond that, well whatever is takes to ensure she cannot hurt another soul. Perhaps sewing some soil, or aquaponics as you have suggested.
I appreciate some religious people trying to distance themselves from the shitty ones, really, I do.
But people who do stuff that isn’t normal for a thing that only they believe in or know about still really shakes my faith in the social contract with them.
Add on to that that the bad people share the same beliefs makes predicting when evil behavior or shadowy fucked up evil behavior is gonna happen really difficult.
And then finally, that bad stuff happens overwhelmingly often from the people that believe that stuff… I have a hard time not believing they’re all bad. I know they probably aren’t, but the vast majority of them have been hostile and crazy and freak me out and I just stay away because I don’t need to deal with that and it’s just easier and safer for me to avoid them and warn others like me.
No offense, religgies. ✌️ 🕊️
Yes. And when this happens:
…the response is usually “well, they weren’t really christian.” The implication being “they based their morality on an unreachable source with divine authority and committed their lives to it in a BAD way, I’m doing it in a GOOD way.”
Magical thinking is deadly.
And ones who think that climate change is part of the “perfect plan” and they have a room in paradise later anyway, that’s deadly for all of us, and they vote against humanity. Brainwashed to vote that way, often to feel righteous about this or that lie, but it’s all propaganda and the world is worse off for their unhealthy policies and choices. It’s visible in quality of life regression.
Maybe religions need a revamping. A Reli-nissance. Like another breaking away abrahamic nu religion.
It wouldn’t be the end-all solution, but at least with a bandaid fix, more time could be bought, and it could align closer to reality?
… The more I think about that, though, the worse idea it seems. Because in order to grow a religion, you have to convince people of a delusion or make converts, which end up being even more zealous for said idea.
Call me Mother Mohiam Scmstr of the Bene Gesserit, cuz we planting millennia-plans to try and fix stuff and it’s gonna end poorly for everybody.
Exactly.
Why is reality not enough for people? Our universe is endlessly fascinating.
Why is reality not enough for people?
Hmmm probably pain and the vulnerability that opens from pain.
And ignorance. A lot of people just don’t know or were never shown what’s out there. A lot of religion teaches, either explicitly or implicitly, that asking questions is taboo. They just don’t know.
And also bias. If you teach somebody that taboo-fencing worldview from a young age, and they grow up with and inside of it, we know that there is a bias against new information. And while the universe is infinitely amazing, if you deny deny deny, and live in the world of stories and tradition, in Plato’s cave, outside would seem unsafe, hostile, and unpleasant, and thus the cycle of sharing a lifetime of what you know, continues.
My holy book says “you can rape the children of your enemy” and “beat your wife and your kids, but try not to do it too much” and “everyone else will suffer more than the human mind can conceive”
But I only practice that last one.
IMO, does not make someone “one of the good ones”, and I hope they take it to heart that I think they are no better than the overtly murderous and racist ones. Because they are separated but by the width of a hair from the pocket-foreskin of their savior.
I do try, yet struggle, with differentiating in nuance. I think it’s important to see the good in people, as well as the problems.
I don’t think I have exactly a utilitarian world view, but there’s definitely some aspects of that in my judgement in certain questions.
I used to be that way. Then I saw that the “good in people” who are able to “ignore the bad stuff” in that book, doesn’t change the fact that they are bombs that simply don’t happen to be exploding right now.
If you change to one of their “triggers” or if they begin to see you or the world in a way that triggers their religious fervor, they can pivot to being the horrors in an instant.
I hope you never have to watch the eyes of a loved one who’s always seemed to have a very good heart, glaze over as they switch gears to “you’re the devil and no action is off the table to ‘cleanse’ you”. Because they all have that switch. Every single one of them.
Friend. I am trans and have ADHD. Pfft, been there, needtogototherapyfor that.
I would never want to be able to overlook this aspect of a person. Just like I wouldn’t want to be able to overlook Joanne just to enjoy a mid story about wizards. Or work for the carceral system just for a paycheck.
If I were cowering from these people, or reacting in excess caution to a non-existent threat, I would agree that therapy would be useful for my viewpoint. As a trans person, I can only imagine that you were experiencing one or the other, and that is why you suggested them for me, assuming that I was suffering similarly.
I very much appreciate the concern for my mental health. I am properly cautious, like you should be of venomous snakes.
Edit: also, 🫂🫂🫂
I wish she would stop. Like if she just enjoyed her billions, let go of hp ip, stopped working with the richest man in the world to push hate and violence and laws trying to murder all trans people, I wouldn’t care anymore. She could live quietly. I’d be okay with that. Live and let live, and all that.
But the fact that she isn’t stopping, and is in fact passing laws and is spearheading and heavily funding political misinformation campaigns… Can we get a bridge thrower in here? Hello? Somebody toss this large sack of potatoes into the river. Surely, somebody in the mob or London Mafia must have a heart.
Just… Take away her Internet access and ban her to the Scottish highlands and give her a nice mansion. Anything to get her to fuck off. She’s crossed already to evil person territory, but to be perfectly honest, and I’m sure I’m not the only person who she’s hurting that I speak for, I would be happy if she just fucked all the way off.
I know she won’t, which is where the vegetable planting comes in, but I still wish we could just get her to shut the fuck up and fuck the fuck off.
I feel all that. I have no thirst for revenge, but by fairness alone I would strip her of her unearned wealth and distribute it to those in need. Beyond that, well whatever is takes to ensure she cannot hurt another soul. Perhaps sewing some soil, or aquaponics as you have suggested.
“Not all Scotsmen”