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Nice try Marco

Can you explain ‘volunteer dementia’ and how it relates to you accepting Arafat changing his position?

I’m happy you’re at least seeing the nuance lol

One got a straight flag, the other got a wavy flag

You might be surprised that back until around the end of the 80’s, a Palestinian from Gaza could just drive to Tel Aviv to have a coffee with his jewish Israeli friends.

But why do you agree that Arafat was able to change his position because of Oslo, but not Rabin and Perez?

I’m not discudding in bad faith, I believe you are twisting yourself to justify Hamas sabotaging the peace accords

You asked if Arafat recognized the state of Israel and he did and I provided you the evidence.

You need to read my comment again then. I didn’t ask whether he stated he recognized it after Oslo. .

I gave you ststements from Israeli leaders from all eras and ignored them

Then what do you make of this statement by Arafat?

Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations.

Sure they were. Had the German military chosen to continue the fight through guerilla warfare à la Hamas, the Allies would have continued their genocide of Germany à la Israel. It’s the German military high command that chose to surrender instead of continuing the fight.

There actually was a German resistance movement against the Allied occupation forces. Little known about but they killed about 5.000 occupation troops. The Allies and the US in particular carried out the death penalty for anyone being caught attacking their occupation troops.

and they have definitely not committed genocide in the past 50 years

Well that’s my point, innit?

You don’t hold that against Turkey as much, even though they murdered more than ten times as many innocent people because, well, “it’s been a while now”.

If Israel had just murdered all of the muslim Palestinian population in '48, you’d say they were better than Turkey.

I’m not asking whether Arafat agreed to Oslo - we know he did. I’m asking whether you think he was keeping his fingers crossed behind his back when he did. You seem to think this was the case for Rabin and Perez, so why don’t you extend the same courtesy to Arafat?

I think it would be very interesting for you to read up on Netanyahu’s criticism of the Oslo Accords from back when he was an opposition leader running against Perez. You’ll be happily surprised to find out he was using the exact same arguments as you are now, claiming the other side could never be trusted.

Do you think Arafat wanted an Israeli state?

It would be very interesting to see how Jews would respond to the same questions about Nazis

I dunno. There’s a lot you can say about the jews, but I don’t really think they were trying to create a zionist state inside Germany in the 1930’s…

that Israel is the guilty party here, period, end of discussion

Ever since the 1920’s both zionists and muslim arab-nationalists have been duking it out over the spoils of the Ottoman Empire to carve out their own country.

There were a lot of states created from the Ottoman Empire. Most of those borders were carved along ethnic and religious lines and spoiler alert: they weren’t decided through peace and friendship.

It’s interesting to see how people would compare Israel’s guilt to that of, say, Turkey. The latter put a genocide on 1,5 million Armenians to carve out their territory. There’s a bit of irony to be found when people argue that Israel shouldn’t exist because there’s conflict. Had they followed the Turks’ example back in '48, the memory of their sins would have started fading into history the very next day.

Why do you think Rabin and Peres agreed to the Oslo Accords?

If you believe an Israeli can never be trusted to uphold a peace agreement, how do you suggest this ever gets resolved?

Let’s knock it up another notch

Say you are given leadership of Israel. Would you feel bound to respect the deals Bibi made with Trump?

Well I’m not saying, as you seem to hinge your argument on, that Netanyahu is blameless

I mean, he ran his election campaign on it! lol

I’m saying Hamas should not be excused for helping him win it.

Netanyahu winning has nothing to do with Hamas. Answer this simple question. Do you think Israel want to end occupation if Hamas is destroyed?

You really need to read up on the political situation in Israel in the mid-'90

Say Netanyahu is voted out. Do you feel his successor is ‘honor bound’ to continue the deals Bibi made with Trump?

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